John and Charles discuss the unraveling of a foundational supernatural claim within the William Branham movement: the mysterious 1963 Arizona cloud. They trace how early researcher Peter Doer uncovered evidence that contradicted the message’s narrative, discovering that the cloud was not divine but instead caused by a U.S. Air Force rocket launch. This sparked a cascading crisis of faith among leaders who privately acknowledged the deception but publicly denied it. The hosts explore how integrity—or the lack of it—determined how individuals responded to this revelation, contrasting those who changed course with those who doubled down on falsehoods to preserve power.<br /><br />The conversation also examines the pattern of suppression and character attacks against whistleblowers, including a targeted harassment campaign that contributed to a scientist’s suicide. As more leaders began quietly conceding the hoax, the message evolved, gradually phasing out the cloud narrative and shifting its focus to “unique revelation.” But John and Charles argue that this evolution was built on compounded dishonesty. Ultimately, they call for transparency, highlighting how cult-like systems depend on hiding the truth and punishing those who expose it.<br /><br />00:00 Introduction<br />01:17 When Leaders Realize They Were Lied To<br />03:05 The Origin and Collapse of the 1963 Cloud Doctrine<br />06:17 Peter Doer’s Discovery and the First Tracts<br />07:10 The Translation Problem and Doctrinal Censorship<br />09:56 Conflicting Accounts of the Angel Encounter<br />13:01 Ministers Face Inconvenient Evidence<br />16:59 Scientists Confirm Rocket-Caused Cloud<br />19:00 The Message Leadership’s Suppression Tactics<br />21:06 Harassment, Suicide, and Public Smear Campaigns<br />26:40 Perry Green’s Private Admission vs. Public Attacks<br />29:58 Integrity and the Selective Memory of Leaders<br />34:05 The Healer Prophet Book and Public Awareness<br />36:08 Rebecca Branham’s Timeline and the Breaking Point<br />40:03 The Cloud’s Disappearance from Sermons<br />42:48 Doctrinal Pivot to “Unique Revelation”<br />44:45 Relics of the Message and the Holy Trinity Imagery<br />46:12 Doctrinal Evolution and Revisionist History<br />48:04 Revelation Plagiarism and New Justifications<br />50:09 What Integrity Would Look Like in a Healthy Church<br />52:00 The Message’s Shifting Beliefs Without Acknowledgement<br />54:03 Perry Green’s Flip-Flops and Lingering Harm<br />56:10 Suppression of Historical Evidence<br />58:03 Why Suppressing the Truth Backfires<br />59:12 “Loving the Truth” vs. Hating the Facts<br />1:00:01 Transition of Leadership Around 1995<br />1:02:28 The Emperor Has No Clothes<br />1:04:05 Connections to the Charismatic Movement and Beyond<br />______________________<br />Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:<br />Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962<br />Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K<br />______________________<br />– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham<br />– Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ<br />– Visit the website: https://william-branham.org<br />–
